Lets see, a state officer who would have no jurisdiction in international waters and of course the biggies...another tax and more government regulation.
Originally posted by penny3333: I want that job, $1/day to cruise, yes sir, I want that job.
That's $1 a day per passenger. So let's see.. the Emerald Princess holds 3,080 passengers at double occupancy. $3,080 x 7 day cruise = $21,560. So how many officers would they put on the Emerald? Four? That would be $5,390 an officer. Hmmmmmm.
I also note the use of "peace officer" as opposed to "police officer". A peace officer can be a sworn officer, but also can be someone with no arrest powers. I guess it depends on California's definition. What point is there in having this person (or persons) aboard a ship when they have no more power than any other passenger once the ship is in international waters? So they can play Mr. Monk and annoy the passengers? Federal agents have some authority because of treaties and revisions to maritime law. I'm not sure that includes state or local level officers.
BTW - trivia question on the powers of police. Who has the most authority? Federal officers, state officers, county officers, or city officers?
Originally posted by Dave Beers:BTW - trivia question on the powers of police. Who has the most authority? Federal officers, state officers, county officers, or city officers?
Actually, the smaller the jurisdiction the more power. There are exceptions - such as when an arrest warrant is issued - but generally a federal officer only has the power to enforce federal law, state officer state laws, etc. So the answer is a city police officer. A city cop can enforce federal, state, county, and city laws and ordinances. A federal officer cannot enforce a city code for Athens, Alabama, but the Athens police officer can arrest someone for violating a federal law.
A friend and former co-worker of mine told me this. He was a police officer for the city of Florence, Alabama, for many years.
An exception for Alabama also allows TVA Police to enforce Alabama laws, even though TVA Police are federal officers. This has much to do with the vague lines of jurisdiction because of TVA property in the state. So to make it easy the state has essentially deputized any TVA police officer. At least that is my understanding of it. I assume this holds true in other states where TVA exists, such as Tennessee, Kentucky, Mississippi, and Georgia.
Originally posted by Dave Beers:BTW - trivia question on the powers of police. Who has the most authority? Federal officers, state officers, county officers, or city officers?
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There were some DNR officers in Northern Michigan that were really terrors to people on snowmobiles. Like they had to prove they had authority!
Originally posted by Dave Beers: Actually, the smaller the jurisdiction the more power. There are exceptions - such as when an arrest warrant is issued - but generally a federal officer only has the power to enforce federal law, state officer state laws, etc. So the answer is a city police officer. A city cop can enforce federal, state, county, and city laws and ordinances. A federal officer cannot enforce a city code for Athens, Alabama, but the Athens police officer can arrest someone for violating a federal law.
A friend and former co-worker of mine told me this. He was a police officer for the city of Florence, Alabama, for many years.
An exception for Alabama also allows TVA Police to enforce Alabama laws, even though TVA Police are federal officers. This has much to do with the vague lines of jurisdiction because of TVA property in the state. So to make it easy the state has essentially deputized any TVA police officer. At least that is my understanding of it. I assume this holds true in other states where TVA exists, such as Tennessee, Kentucky, Mississippi, and Georgia.
In theory you (or your friend) is right except that when it comes to interstate commerce. Youre right about a fed not being able to enforce a city law, but if the feds have something on him or her they will take the suspect into their custody.
About the original post; that would suck and be pointless. I am so sick of the USA over tax and over governing everything.
I agree with you that the interstate commerce clause of the Constitution is abused. My post was speaking purely of enforcement based on observance of the violation - if an FBI agent saw me jay-walking in Athens, Alabama, he couldn't cite me for it anymore than another citizen could. But if an Athens cop saw me falsifying a federal form to buy a gun he could arrest me for it.
The California proposal is indeed pointless. I read some more info today where the slackjaw legislator who pushed it through committee had no answers for basic questions about how it would be enforced, jurisdiction issues, etc. If this does become law, I predict a legal challenge to it and I see the law being ruled unconstitutional.
That's just what we need, more laws on the books. While they're at it they should add some new taxes. More laws and taxes should fix everything for us all and make life utopia. If there is anything wrong in the world it can probably be fixed with more laws and taxes. Maybe that way they can make the cruise industry as high quality and efficient as our public schools and government bureaucracy. Perhaps then the service onboard will be equal to the service provided by your local DMV. That's just got to be the right solution to any problems in the cruise industry. Glad our elected officials are on top of this for us, they'll fix everything!
Originally posted by TrvlPro: That's just what we need, more laws on the books. While they're at it they should add some new taxes. More laws and taxes should fix everything for us all and make life utopia. If there is anything wrong in the world it can probably be fixed with more laws and taxes. Maybe that way they can make the cruise industry as high quality and efficient as our public schools and government bureaucracy. Perhaps then the service onboard will be equal to the service provided by your local DMV. That's just got to be the right solution to any problems in the cruise industry. Glad our elected officials are on top of this for us, they'll fix everything!
Cheers, Neil
Speaking of new taxes- check out this one Beer tax Not that I'm much of a beer drinker but can you just envision the increase of a beer on a cruise ship leaving from California?
Extra tax on BEER?!? Now I'm ready for revolution! We need a California Beer Party like the Boston Tea Party! But I don't think I could bring myself to throw it overboard, oh well, guess I'll pay the tax.
I like how a keg of beer would have $90 in taxes on it instead of the current $6. Kind of takes the joy out of having a keg set up for a barbecue or super bowl party.
