Well Peejay43, you picked a fight with the wrong guy. Being that you are new to the forum I might excuse your juvenile rush to judgment.
First things first, I don’t make a claim to being a serious cruiser, if you read more about the site you will learn that this is something assigned for the number of posts you make to the site. In my opinion you appear to be a “Serious Loser”. Do you always get what you want by whining? You won’t get much sympathy here.
So Celebrity didn’t make you feel special, big deal. Each cruise experience is unique and every cruise line will have their moments. Your assumptions about me not knowing what tipping is from a few brief sentences I have posted shows your lack of deductive reasoning and a stereotypically dull “IT” persona.
I have traveled extensively into many countries and I am fluent in three languages. I majored in cross-cultural studies and lived and worked in Latin America. If you want to get personal, I suggest you find another site. On this site you will find mostly great people with a love for cruising and if you follow the threads, have an ongoing relationship with other posters. So if you are done with your hissy-fit, maybe you can lighten up and make worthwhile posts.
Karen I would dare say that there are some people with their noses so high in the air that they would find fault even with Crystal, Silversea, and Seabourn. To compare Celebrity's cuisine to a roadside diner is ludicrous. If someone expects top name entertainment, then they should go to Las Vegas or New York where they can pay $200 for one show. Forced to tip pool attendants???? That's a first to me. I just sailed on the Century in August and there was no such thing.
By the way PeeJay43- I am pretty wordly myself. As a 20 year Air Force Veteran and an avid traveler, I have traveled all over the world. I have been to all the continents and I have seen third world countries. I guess the difference is I am a realist.
PeeJay43 - personal attacks on other members of this forum are not allowed. You did this to Chef Ken, and therefore I have allowed his response to you to stand in public view. So that one is now even. No more please.
The "ranks" people have in the forum are indeed a result of the number of posts they have made and not the number of cruises.
And finally, the costs of cruises on the mainstream lines would be much higher if gratuities were done away with. You can pay it either way, in tips or higher fares, but the bottom line is that the customer ALWAYS ends up paying the bill. Cruise lines are not charities, they are in business to make money for their stockholders.
SD cruiser come on be fair it is not the cruiselines fault when passengers are too trusting and don't lock their luggage with expensive items (by the way no insurance in the world will pay in the above mentioned case) Since all cruiselines need to use the same longshore men guess what - all of them have the same problems...
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Katherine Knowlton offers a tutorial on cruise line economics in response to my post about tipping, confirming my observations about the cruise industry's exploitative labour practices but missing the point entirely on the original issue.
The entire purpose of a gratuity is to recognize and reward someone for the personal service they have already given. It is not a bribe to ensure that service is given in the first place.
In our case, the ONLY person who provided direct service to us was our cabin steward. He did a good job and we recognized his efforts appropriately. Anyone else who provided a direct service (bar stewards, for example) included a "tip" or service charge of 15% on whatever transaction they were involved with. No additional tip should be expected or given.
The various people Katherine suggests were "busting their asses" for me behind the scenes aren't my problem. Even if the assertion about how hard they work were true (which certainly wasn't the case on "Galaxy") their compensation package is nothing to do with me.
My objection is to the practice of arbitrarily and automatically charging "tips" to passenger accounts (which some lines now do) and "recommending" tipping guidelines for a variety of personnel who do not provide personal service.
On the basis of Mx. Knowlton's comments, perhaps we should tip the Captain and the little man who steers the ship...
I must be missing something, this post started as a warning not to leave valuables in unattended luggage. Somehow, it's turned into a slug fest about tipping and expectations. Maybe a little holiday cheer would soften some of the blows here.
Penny3333, I'm with you - I think a little "holiday cheer" IS in order. Peejay43, you seem to be angry with anyone that shares an opposing view or points out the realities of cruising on any line. We like to keep this a happy place (okay, so I am a "Pollyanna" - but life is too short to dwell on the negative), and so here's hoping this thread takes a turn toward the positive.
For some reason I thought this site was designed to enable people to share their comments (negative as well as positive) about their respective cruise experiences. I didn't realize it was only intended only for those whose impressions are 100% supportive of the cruise industry and cruising in general. Mea culpa.
Contrary to Penny's understanding, the originaly posting that prompted my response(s) was a negative review from a Celebrity client/passenger whose experience was less than positive. She had a number of comments to make about her cruise and her overall disappointment with it quite apart from the theft of her valuables. Amongst other things she didn't like the food, the entertainment and the lackadaisical attitude of the ship's staff.
I had no comment to make about the theft from her luggage, but certainly agreed with her overall impression of Celebrity -- and specifically wanted to express my own disappointment with "Galaxy".
I, too, found the ship less than satisfactory. The food was unpalatable, the service was not very good, and the "entertainment" was on a par with something I might have expected 40 years ago in a sub-standard resort in the Catskills.
The issue of tipping came up when someone responded to the original post with the suggestion that if she had tipped better throughout the cruise she might have gotten better service. Frankly, I found this ludicrous and responded accordingly.
Perhaps if Penny had bothered to acquaint herself with the facts she might have realized that it was her note that was out of order -- not mine.
So sorry, didn't mean to intrude on your tirade. Just wanted to lighten the load a bit as you were not voicing opinions, rather lashing out at others. I stand reprimanded and will leave you to your happiness. Best wishes!
Even in your "apology" -- if that's what it was -- you still manage to patronize me... which is exactly what ticked me off in the first place.
From the outset, my so-called "tirade" was nothing more than an attempt to confirm the original comments made about Celebrity and "Galaxy".
Now was I "lashing out" at anyone. I was simply trying to balance the condescension implicit in the comments of other correspondents who made it seem as if everything that had gone wrong was the fault of the passenger.
I certainly do not need you or any of the other busybodies who took exception to my remarks to upbraid or berate me.
I stand by my original comments. Celebrity is not the paragon of virtue it pretends to be and our cruise on "Galaxy" was extremely disappointing.
Originally posted by Peejay43: I stand by my original comments. Celebrity is not the paragon of virtue it pretends to be and our cruise on "Galaxy" was extremely disappointing.
Caveat emptor...
Okay, your disappointment is duly noted and Celebrity must sadly look towards a future without your patronage. Now may we move forward and leave this topic to a long overdue death? And since I can do something about that, I will. This topic is closed.
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