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Here is an email that I've received from Alex Naughton:

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As you can see our North American branch of the "Save the Classic Liners" Campaign is doing excellent work raising the profile of the former SS Independence and her ongoing tow to possible breaking up in Alang, India. She is reported to be near Guam at the moment. She is in violation of USA and international laws.

The USA has the Toxic Substances Control Act of 1976 or TSCA. Under it, PCB waste – including entire ships if they carry high-enough concentrations of PCBs – may not be exported overseas. That law applies to all federal agencies and the private sector, with the EPA as a key enforcer. Therefore if the EPA believes an owner "intends to export a ship for scrapping in violation of [TSCA]", it can take appropriate enforcement action including an inspection, to determine the presence of PCBs on the vessel. It has now done this in respect of the former SS Independence.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has issued a federal complaint against Global Shipping and Global Marketing Systems, Inc. for distribution in commerce and export of PCB-containing materials on the MV Oceanic, formerly the SS Independence, a ship being sent by Global to be scrapped overseas.

California Manufacturing Corporation (CMU), a sham subsidiary of NCL, reportedly no longer owns the ship but sold the vessel on July 26th, 2007. CMU claims there is a confidentiality document in place so they can not divulge the name of the buyer. Thus while the ship continues to fly a US flag, the last registered owner is CMU/NCL and the new owner is not registered and has intentionally not revealed itself. Under US law, if the ship was sold to a foreign entity, as is suspected, this exchange is illegal as the Maritime Administration did not approve the sale as is required. Further, importation of a toxic ship from the United States (a non-Party), for full or partial dismantling by a country that is a Party to the Basel Convention is a violation of the terms of the Basel Convention treaty.
See press releases below.

http://www.ban.org/ban_news/2008/080306_toxic_liner_believed_nearing_guam.html

http://www.ban.org/ban_news/2008/080318_USEPA_files_com...st_ship_brokers.html

http://www.ban.org/ban_news/2008/080319_aged_ships_a_toxic_export.html

By the way the SS United States is likely to be next in line to illegally follow the SS Independence to scrapping in India. She has just been handed to the ownership of another sham subsidiary company of NCL. But under US law, if the ship was sold to a foreign entity, as is suspected, this exchange is illegal as the Maritime Administration did not approve the sale as is required. It is likely with the Big U that this will not have occured! So it will be flouting USA law.

Also it is still a US flagged ship and any change to that status must be approved by MARAD. The reason that US-flag ships like the United States exist at all is so the government can use them during wartime. In order to retain sufficient vessels for national-security reasons, MARAD has long been required to approve any sale to a foreign owner or the reregistering of a vessel to another nation.

However a disadvantage with stopping the United States is that in the 1990s it was totally cleared of all asbestos and PCBs when in Turkey. So the ship is clean. So there would be less of a legal basis to stop the United States being exported.

Alex


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Here's a link to some pics of the Indy while she was in Frisco.

http://telstarlogistics.typepad.com/telstarlogistics/20...a-sneak-peek-in.html
 
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Another article about the "Indy" and the EPA's not doing enough...

http://www.newkerala.com/one.php?action=fullnews&id=38833
 
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News has sure grown thin on the SS Independence, she was meant to be nearing Guam more than a month ago. With no sign of her since Hawaii where could she be? Surely the tug towing her would have had to stop to refuel by now.I thought the U.S. epa was on the case,they don't mention anything on their site.
 
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This is a quote appearing on medivigil website (gopal Krishna) reference 89 ships recently illegally beached at Alang...

Sources from Alang have informed that SS Independence (SS Oceanic) too has landed in the plot of Komal Sharma of Leela Shipping Pvt Ltd. It would be the 89th ship.
 
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It is reported to have now been beached in Alang on the (medivigil website)
 
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If that is correct, one can only hope that the American authorities will enforce the announced penalties against the cash buyer who delivered her!


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Appearing on mediavigil;

<copyrighted material removed by Administrator>

Looks like reports of her beached at Alang may be (hopefully) incorrect.

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A reminder to all: While we are always interested in the latest news on SS Oceanic/Independence, we cannot allow copyrighted material to be posted. Please provide a link to the source instead, as per Cruise-Chat's Terms of Service.

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According to the site Save the Classic Liners Campaign she is in transit to Dubai with some possible interest from a Greek buyer,does anyone know of this? We can only hope.
 
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If a Greek cruise line buys her, will the EPA still fine the owners?since the ship isn't waste?
 
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Probably not, Ron. Unless this is a try to pass her on to the next cash buyer who plans to sell her for scrap, I guess. Wink


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New update on Save a Classic Liner Campaign, SS Independence is in Dubai for sale. She is supposed to have a couple of interested buyers, but time will only tell. Better she is in Dubai than on a beach in that s__t hole Alang. Hope she is bought soon, aeshtically she still looks a million dollars.
 
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I not sure but I know some one who lives in Bhavnagar India and sells some items from the ships broken in Alang and he claims the Indy / Oceanic is there in Alang beached and they have removed a lot of the items from the ship and are going to start breaking up the hull. He even has some of the interior brass lights for sale. So????? He claims it is beached there for a short time now but that they are stripping her now. I'm not sure what to think now
 
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I sent this guy a picture of the Indy and this is what he said ( "We have one very large vessel here at Alang which is American vessel but it does not have name on it. I checked the pictures attached by you and the vessel beached at Alang shipbreaking yard plot no. 79 is look like same" ). I'm not sure if he know what he is talking about or not but he says its in Alang????? I wish I knew if this was a rumor or not. Don't know how to find out. I hope it is a rumor.
 
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Classic Liners,

if there is "one very large vessel" at Alang, it has to be "Blue Lady" rather than "Oceanic". She is dramatically larger than "Oceanic".

Maybe your friend can send you a picture. Smile


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He knows the Norway this is a different ship. I sent him a picture and he said it looks like the same ship. I asked about pictures of this ship and the Norway but he says this (I can not send you current picture of SS NORWAY because photograph is strictly prohibited in Indian ship breaking yard and the vessel is very controversial vessel, so NO one can take pictures of the vessel. There is very high security at Indian ship breaking yard. Sorry for the same.) I don't know if he is correct or not about Indy. But he did say that besides Norway there is this other American Liner.???? He even named the the plot as being number 79. Maybe Peter friend would know if this is true or not? As I did say he knows of Norway because he is selling some items from her.
 
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Maybe Peter friend would know if this is true or not?


Classic Liners,

word from Peter's friend is that she is definitely not there.


Best regards,

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Yeah! ( dances a happy jig) Hope someone buys her and saves her from the scrapyard.
 
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