This exemplifies the difference between what is politics of a country and the unfortunate turn of events governed by the machinations of the business world. I maintain that comments posted here do not refer to the politics of any country but rather the fact that there are stong undercurrents that bear influence on the way the whole France/Morway saga has evolved. Has anyone had any further news with regards the Supreme Court decision? Unless I've missed something, the ship is still being hacked to pieces illegally. For sure, this has gone far past any point of salvation but I'm surely not the only one who feels dismay at how this entire matter has been handled at international level. Again, I stress that my comments are not politically motivated. I have no interest in politics but have a sense of what is just and unjust, as any fellow being would have. Anyway, whichever way it's seen, the fact still remains that this ship should never have ended its life in this way. The logical view is that there was no option available to save France/Norway on a financial footing but my heart says that in the 21st century, blatant transgressions on a public scale are still tolerated, regardless of any authority, regardless of what country these actions refer to. Not a lot we can do about it I guess. Let's just hope that France/Norways legacy will somehow help prevent a repeat of this sad train of events with other ships and that international bodies whose task it is to police such cases actually are able to wield their authority.
We are talking about the gratuitous insults against India, the Indian courts, and a few veiled attacks against the U.S. which were deleted or edited.
We are not going to allow this thread to again veer off into a debate over our moderation decisions. In baseball, if the hitter argues a call with the umpire the hitter gets ejected from the game. Capiche?
Originally posted by Derf: The truth is the truth, regardless of how it's disguised! It is a fact that the Supreme court has not given the go-ahead for Norway to be broken
It is a fact that she is being ripped apart
It is a fact that she way beached illegally
It is a fact that NCL sold her for scrap without prior decontamination.
Theses are not political points, merely facts of an event.
Surely it is not raising a political point to observe that an organization has acted illegally.
The Indian Supreme Court did give permission to break up the Blue Lady/SS Norway/SS France.
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It's been more than 6 months since the ruling, and not one photo or report has surfaced suggesting the ship breakers haven't been following (the measures outlined in the article). <copyrighted material removed> Not one.
That's the real facts so far.
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my understanding of the last court ruling was that, although the court acknowledged the breaking of the vesel was a 'fait d'acompli'. They also stated that nothing should be removed from the vessel until a further hearing (scheduled for June / July this year)
Unless all the steel that has so far been cut, has been cut into small pieces and stored below decks, it would seem logical that items (i.e steel) have indeed been removed from the vessel in contravention of the current standing court ruling. Thus to state that the breaking is currently illegal, would be a fair supposition.
Posts: 39 | Location: Dorset, UK | Registered: December 06, 2007
further to my last post, links to sites showing parts of the Norway ashore (i.e her lettering and hull plates bearing her name) have been posted on this very forum, there is photographic confirmation parts have been removed from the vessel. Also i have previously stated here that in one of Peter's photo's (and I think we all whole-heartedly thank his contact in Alang for these, despite how distressing they are, and appreciate the risk involved in taking said pictures) the breakeing crew in one of the small boats under Norway, show no signs of protective clothing, also those same pictures show bare foot workers on the shore. Therefore one could also suppose the ruling on adequate protection is being ignored.
Posts: 39 | Location: Dorset, UK | Registered: December 06, 2007
Conclusion You're confusing the September 6th ruling with the September 11th ruling. The September 6th ruling doesn't apply to the Blue Lady because it was already beached, and the September 11th ruling granted permission to dismantle it.
What's happening in court in a few weeks is the appeal process to the last ruling. No stay has been granted, therefore the ship breakers are within the law to continue until either the court grants a stay, or changes its earlier ruling.
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can't You stop that senseless discussion? We have (nearly) all burned our fingers now. We have all followed the way of the ship since her last arrival in Miami. We have all made our opinion of what happened the last years - so what?
If legally or illegally, the ship will never return, so what?
If we are not liked to express our opinion, let's accept it and at least leave this thread for the most essential and important - a source of information and for sharing the memories of the greatest steamer of all times!
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..let's accept it and at least leave this thread for the most essential and important - a source of information and for sharing the memories of the greatest steamer of all times!
Let's all take a breather, and reread the cruise-chat terms of service -- with particular attention to the part about disruptive posts. I do not want to have to pull the plug on this thread, which can be a valuable source of information if we let it.
LisaP
Posts: 2825 | Location: Massachusetts, USA | Registered: December 17, 2005
well, there never really was a time when she looked exactly like the "France" due to the fact that several changes were made during her transformation, such as greatly enlarging the aft pool area, changing the look of the bridge and adding the two "Little Norways".
However, here is a picture showing her in her original "Norway" incarnation.
Originally posted by Dave Beers: Look here for some photos of the ship before the new decks were added. Those new decks really ruined the lines of the ship.
I agree, the additional decks really did upset the beautiful visual balance the designers had first created. I never understood why they didn't even bother to integrate the lines of the new decks more completely - the angles in many cases are opposite to the original planes. Back to my scale model of SS France...
When are we going to know the truth of what really happened?? The mysterious 45MM that "someone ofered" for the ship etc. I still think that the ship could be used for anoth purpose
Originally posted by Changoleon: When are we going to know the truth of what really happened?? The mysterious 45MM that "someone ofered" for the ship etc. I still think that the ship could be used for anoth purpose
It's all in the past now. We counted on internet chatter without anything to back it up. There will be no concrete answers as EVERYTHING we were "informed" of could have been fabricated concerning any investors racing to save the day.
Perhaps if Mr. Metha decides to publish his memoirs would we really know all the twists and turns....but even then we'd have to take it with a grain of salt.
In reality...I beleive, with all the misinformation, we helped make this whole episode more dramatic than it really was.
Posts: 79 | Location: Long Island, New York | Registered: December 30, 2005
