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Sad view, I don't get the way they are leading hteir work ; I guess it's organized, but it doesn't look so...
France will be gone before winter ?
 
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Originally posted by Peter Knego:
That is always the mystery. Normally, the greater portion of the bow goes first, leading to the superstructure and a gradual procession aft (although the stern overhang is also one of the first things to go). With the beautiful STELLA SOLARIS, the process went inward, leaving the ship's profile virtually intact, but just the center sliver of decks with funnel and mast still towering over the keel, almost to the end. Sometimes I wonder if the breakers take a liking to certain features and want them to last longer than others. Sort of how one might eat a piece of cake, saving the best bits for last. In the BLUE LADY case, I think he will have to repeat the same process on the starboard side asap lest the ship begin to list severely. He is probably hoping that he can move her now that she is lightened, then do the starboard cut when it will not fall so far away from shore. But then he is an enigma, unpredictable at best, unless there is money involved.
Yes it is indeed strange, you would have thought that if the breakers intend winching the ship further ashore, they would be aware that if they cut down too deep, they will weaken the structure to the point that it will tear when the apply the winches. Or maybe this is their intention but then you wonder how they would then move the remaining aft section. Looking at the variety of ways in which breakers appear go about their sad business, it seems to me that each ship is handled in a different way. If anyone has any inside knowledge, it would be strangely interesting to have some idea of that's going on with France. By the way, I have a fantastic desktop wallpaper file I got off the net of France. It's a computer generated image but is very lifelike and very accurate. I got it for free, I guess it is not copyrighted. If anyone is interested, I'll try and find the URL I got it from. It is a profile picture of France in its prime, bow end is to the right of the picture, in full regalia, flags etc. Those were the days... :-(
 
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Phil, please as soon you have URL send it, sound great!!!
 
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Phil, please as soon you have URL send it, sound great!!!


Have a look at this link. The content is fabulous. I'm not sure if it's copyrighted, you will need to check the website, I've not seen any copyright clauses but then maybe they are buried somewhere on a page. All is can say is that as a desktop background, they are brilliant.

www.dvomarinedesign.com/france3d/france3d-intro.htm
 
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Phil, please as soon you have URL send it, sound great!!!


by the way - this is the image I'm using as my desktop background. It looks great full screen.

http://www.dvomarinedesign.com/france3d/images/France-profil-bas.jpg
 
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Have a look at this link. The content is fabulous. I'm not sure if it's copyrighted, you will need to check the website, I've not seen any copyright clauses but then maybe they are buried somewhere on a page. All is can say is that as a desktop background, they are brilliant.

The website is wonderful, even thrilling; the ship is re-created in meticulous accuracy of line and proportion. My only criticism, a small one, is in the placement of flags: the national ensign would only be flown in one place, at the
mainmast gaff under way and at the stern when at anchor or in dock. The CGT houseflag flew on the port spreader. When appropriate, a courtesy flag was flown at the main truck (top of the mainmast). At sea, out of sight of land, no flags were flown.
 
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Phil, Thanks!!! I already have a desktop background
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I've added a new image to www.midshipcentury.com tonight. This was taken on May 12, just a few days after the last one posted. There is now a large section of mid-to-aft superstructure missing. It really does look like Mehta is racing to get her finished. It also appears that the starboard side is going in sync with the port side, contrary to my prior posting.

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Metha is rushing now cos he'll be shortly needing the space on his beach for a couple more twin-funnel liners (one of which is rumoured to be in the queue already)

I'm guessing he's sick of the sight of this once beautiful girl and thus wants her off his beach quickly now. He could have broken several vessels in the 2 years she's been moored across 2 graving spaces, and thus cost him his all important, precious pieces of silver.
 
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Metha is rushing now cos he'll be shortly needing the space on his beach for a couple more twin-funnel liners (one of which is rumoured to be in the queue already)

I'm guessing he's sick of the sight of this once beautiful girl and thus wants her off his beach quickly now. He could have broken several vessels in the 2 years she's been moored across 2 graving spaces, and thus cost him his all important, precious pieces of silver.



And to think that Mr. Metha could have sold the SS Norway at a HUGH profit when a deal of between $35 Million and $55 Million was offered for the ship. That money could have been used to buy more vessels to break up. Stupid people will do stupid things. I've even read that the more valuable works of art were removed from the ship in Germany and as was replaced with fakes. At least, that was what Andrew Shaw had said.

I've never seen such a saga as the SS Norway at Alang. A ship that didn't deserve to be there. A ship that is being torn apart because of shear stupidity of Mr. Metha who rejected all offers from those who wanted her as a static hotel.

If Mr. Metha is losing money from breaking up the ship serves him right.

In other news, Rueben has discontinued his "Save the Classic Liners Campaign" due to his ever declining health. So sad to hear about his latest health woes. Here is the link:

http://www.ssmaritime.com

I am certainly going to miss his commentaries. Frown


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as my Grandmother used to say...

'Pride comes before a fall!'
 
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How we can punish Metha??????
 
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NCL fined $15 million for Norway Blast.

http://www.lloydslist.com/ll/home/index.htm


Add that to current losses plus any charges pertaining to SS Indy. Its just gotta hurt!


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$15 mill... peanuts for Genting corp. I wonder what the fine would have been if they were American citizens and not Philipinos.

As for Mehta, Karma will see to him...
 
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Well, we'll never know, since they were all Philpino. Every Philipino worker with an injury sought redress for injuries per the laws of their native country. A million dollars lasts far longer living in their native country than in America.
 
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A million dollars lasts far longer living in their native country than in America.


So, this translates to these seamen being "less valuable" than if they had been citizens of other countries. Mad


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Well, we'll never know, since they were all Philpino. Every Philipino worker with an injury sought redress for injuries per the laws of their native country. A million dollars lasts far longer living in their native country than in America.


No, it doesn't means that. A million dollars per injured worker is still a lot of cash. That's far more than what my family would get if I were injured or killed in Texas, an I'm an American.

The contracts these workers signed to work for NCL required a negotiated settlement in their home country's courts. That they successfully pursued, and were rewarded per Philipino law.

Whether they would have gotten a higher settlement in a US Florida court isn't known.

Never-the-less, they got more than a fair settlement per their home country.

Don't forget, while the corporate office for NCL may be in the US, NCL Corp is based in Bermuda.
 
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Hi Raoul,

what do You think a German court had paid them????? I think far less?

Anyway it's not up to me to judge this!


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Rhein,

I guess you missed my point here. I didn't say anything against the court's ruling, but I disliked the way Ron's thesis sounded to me.


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