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Originally posted by andrews:
The front of the SS Norway is pointing directly towards the beach, the ship is no longer paralell to the beach.The ship has been turned towards the beach since earlier pictures, the fence is from the beach and outwards to separate the different plots where the ships are beached.
Lanterne

And ALSO, nice to see that the people you are dealing with are complying with the court, one would have though they would have left the damn ship alone, RIGHT at the point where it was dropped off by the tugs.

Perhaps someone might like to take the liberty of e-mailing these pictures to the court? to show that the breakers are NOT complying with their orders by dragging the ship closer and closer!

Surely posting these images online is bound to cast the breakers in a dubious light if the courts ever see them. Lucky some of us have saved them.

You have a point there, fulvietta I must admit.

You have a really good point! I hope someone will send those pics to the court!!

I really think those pics are altered. It just doesn't look natural at all to me. Looks like she's been cut out from another picture and placed in that pic. The sand surrounding the bow looks really unnatural.

Especially in this pic:
http://www.ssnorway.no/images/alang1.jpg

Also Mr Shaw, Whilst browsing captains voyage.com i found the following little soundbite from yourself dated 21.03.07.

"I can say i am in India now, have had a meeting with Priya Blue today,
i saw the Norway yesterday and she is well stuck in the mud now, even the backside and half the propelars are altso stuck in the mud.
Pictures from today and tomorrow will soon come uo on this sight.
She is sinking deeper and deeper in the mud.
Dont look good.
Will board her today or tomorrow to have a look inside.
Concerning everything else going on i will not say anything as i dont want to make a new debate on this site but i can not see in any way that this ship can be moved after seing how she is stuck.
Pictures will prove this.
Will come back shortly.
Regards
Lanterne"

I refer to the part that says half the propellers are now stuck in the mud.....

Well, the ship has been on the beach for 8 months now, and in that time, the shifting sands have not managed to fully cover the props, are you telling me that they have suddenly vanished under the mud in the last 8 days???? Somehow I think not, unless dredging IS ALREADY taking place, blocking the ship in perhaps?

You really need to decide what state and position the ship is actually in. Don't you think?

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Originally posted by andrews:
To everybody who is doubt, i have absolutely no interest of all to manipulate my pictures, what you se is what you se.'

I think it IS in your interest to manipulate them, because you want to sell Norway's items. In this way you can discourage us, and possible buyers...so the breakers will get what they want and you can nicely sell all the items. And make a nice profit from it.

http://www.ssnorway.no/images/alang1.jpg

she really looks cut out from another pic and placed in this background. The mud surrounding the bow looks way to unnatural to me.

The one bit that does not look right is the brightness underneath the keel at the bow which is lighter than the area you see past the ship in the distance i.e the background.If anything being under the ship you might expect it to be darker.Same goes for the light behind the bow thrusters.
If at high tide the stern rises then it cannot be stuck in the mud.

Also, the shadows are wrong, there should not be that much light by the bow thrusters.

The sun is casting a shadow from the funnels, and therfore, the mass of the bow would not allow the bow thruster areas to be so light. The birds in the forground are casting the same shadow, so it looks like the area around the keel has been......tweaked

I'm not a photoshop expert, just not blind!

I say well if the picture is right then they can dig her out with a bulldozer at low tide which will reduce the need for dredging.
They can dig a crater around her cheaply and then at least part of a channel behind her.
At very high tide the crater will fill and help get her afloat.

I can for 100% certainty say that the pictures are not altered, unfortunately. It is truly sad to see this great liner like this! I am working on a documentary about the ship. However the ship does still look beautiful and is keeping a very nice line.

The reason the pictures are taken during such extreme low tide is that during this time of year the high tide is at night while low tide is during the day. Compared to earlier pictures taken of her before Christmas when low tide was at night and high tide was at daytime.

The thing I’ve never understood is why no one stepped up and bought the ship while she was still in Bremerhaven

Godspeed S/S Norway

Maybe this could turn out to be a great time for someone to purchase the Norway. She's high and dry just waiting for a good cleaning and some paint. Kind of like a free dry dock. Then as "Cruiser" posted...just bulldoze around her, wait for the king tides and tow her out.

Bon-voyage!

ANOTHER Thing. Why is it that we only ever see port side photos of the ship?

It has been brought up before that previously the ship was parallel to the beach, therefore taking a starboard picture was impossible from land, so, if the ship is facing directly up the beach as Mr Shaw says, why haven't we seen any other pictures? doctoring time perhaps?

Or is there something they do not want us to see?

Has anybody e-mailed those pictures to the supreme court yet? I would but my PC is playing up.

I have. I hope they will read the emails!!! I also hope more people will send those pics. It would be awesome if it would have consequences for the scrappers.

Fingers crossed! Every little helps I guess. Remember with todays technology, they can do anything, including dragging her off that filthy beach

We'll have to give Mr Shaw the benefit of doubt here but it certainly does not look like the ship is pointing towards the beach as the ground rises up towards the funny little fence made out of high tec twigs which does not look as if it would survive a high tide. The horizon ( sea/sky ) is behind the ship on the side that has not yet been photographed. I guess if by some miracle the ship is saved then those whishing to sell the contents stand to lose considerable expenses already incurred.

Whether the photo's have been doctored or not is not really that important.

It shows that the Scavenger's of SSNorway.no are clearly worried that their 'stock' may not come their way!

Ignore ANDREWS/LANTERNE and CHELDISH. Their sole goal is to make money from the death of this liner.

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To everybody who is doubt, i have absolutely no interest of all to manipulate my pictures, what you se is what you se.'
Unfortunately i can not show all pictures taken in Alang last week, but the pictures shown are taken at low tide but not the lowest tide.
The propelers are buried in the mud and at high tide the ship lifts up slightly in the far rear end. The last few meters only, and she is in an angle to one side which you can not se if you dont se here from the front.
I can speak for myself, i am one of very few people seing the ship at the moment and how this ship can be moved, i dont know but i would not put a bet on that.
Lanterne

I am well informed on the tides of the Gulf of Khambat.

The photos show a typical low tide. This was the sole reason for situating ship breaking in Alang! This allows the hundreds of poor, despreate Indian workers with no protection to go out and strip a vessel to make the breaker's profits.

I agree that the photo's look like they've been touched up, however, I agree that the ship is currently resting on the mud for some time each month.

However, the TSS France was built for the North Atlantic. She has an extremely strong hull that is perfectly capable of sitting on soft mud.

If you look at Rueben's pics there are some distinct similarities with the 'new' photo's.

The truth is that at high tide the ship has water round her. She can be refloated with dredging and tugs. There are attempts to purchase her. and the Supreme Court is yet to make a decision.

It's up to you who you believe.

Very well said! I think there is still hope and the battle is far from over ( at least, I hope so!!). I also think that sitting on the mud won't damage the hull beyond repair.

I honestly think that at this point the scrappers have no interest whatsoever in selling her to anyone. They're very used to getting away with whatever they want to and I think from their point of view they are very angry that such special attention is being placed on this one ship when a thousand other tankers with a thousand times the pollutants have been dismantled. I think they're really pi$$ed to the point that now they wouldn't even sell her out of spite - certainly not to any middle-eastern interests, for sure.

In recognizing the fact that she was beached in contempt of court but yet extending their date for final decision, I think the Court is sending the scrappers a clear indication that if it comes down to a fight, the court WILL exercise jurisprudence even if it is a blow to the steel industry. Essentially it comes down to a question of wether rule of law is trumped by money, and I think the court will stand behind itself just like the scrappers do. The extension is just a nod for them to get rid of the headache and give them yet another opportunity to sell the ship at a profit before they're forced to expel the ship.

Of course, there's no incentive for them to do that. If the ship is expelled, the promissory note is torn up and de jure ownership reverts to Star, who again would have to pay for dredging/refloating/towing.

The question is, should this happen, will Star/NCL learn their lesson? They certainly won't let this hull get in the hands of a competitor who could potentially flag it in the US under a salvage title. So will they try to refurbish again? And how tied is this to the future of Indy and SSUS?

The saga continues...

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Originally posted by Alex79818:
They certainly won't let this hull get in the hands of a competitor who could potentially flag it in the US under a salvage title. So will they try to refurbish again? And how tied is this to the future of Indy and SSUS?

I don't understand salvage titles. How can anyone flag the SS Norway under the US flag, when it wasn't built in America? As it lays, I would think any salvaging will be occuring in India.
NCL and Star Cruises have already made the decision, they aren't going to refurbish the SS Norway.
Each ship is an individual, and decisions will probably be made individually. Just because NCL decides to refurbish one, doesn't mean they will refurbish all; and likewise, a decision to scrap one doesn't mean they will scrap all.

Flagging a vessel is all down to where the ship is registered.

The Queen Mary is now on the US register, this is why the stars and stripes fly on her stern.

The Norway is currently registered in Nassau, so is a Bahamian ship.


It doesn't matter where a ship is built.

Ron,

a ship that is declared a constructive total loss as the result of an incident in United States waters qualifies for the U.S. flag if repaired at a U.S. shipyard.