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Originally posted by Svein:
I would like to see the tug that can pull her off now. She will be gone within the year.

Sounds similar to what was said last August?

There are tugs that can pull her off. The sands and mud in the gulf of Khambat is extremely easy to dredge. It would be costly, but quite straightforward

If anyone in their right mind thinks STAR/NCL is disposing of the Norway in an enviromentally friendly manor they would have to have rocks in their head. Considering she has been sitting on that beach since August she does still look good.If only the court would stand up to the scrappers STAR/NCL would have to foot the bill. Anyone heard back from navilus/ss-france.com? Ihope they can pull it off.

Actually looking at those photos again you can see that the sand is wet right up to the fencing so at least at high tide the ship still sits in some water.I think possibly the angle that the shots are taken at makes it appear slightly worse than it is. Or am I clutching at straws
No this not a very sound way of disposing of your once flagship.

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Originally posted by Svein:
I would like to see the tug that can pull her off now. She will be gone within the year.

Although it may take more than a year to dismantle the ship, I have to believe Svein that moving her now is likely impossible.

I also believe that any notion the supreme court will order the ship out of Indian waters is an exercise in wishful thinking.

The continuing delays in handing down a decision seem to have been calculated to solidify the ship's perch on the strand, thus guaranteeing the impossibility of refloating and neutralizing any argument in favor thereof. The court has acknowledged that the beaching was unauthorized, and may express its "disapproval" with a fine that amounts to a slap on the wrist, but no more.

All the court seems to want is assurance (in the form of a plan) that hazmat will be dealt with in a proper manner, so that Greenpeace and other environmental groups with media access will be placated. Once the plan is submitted the green light to demolish will be given. Whether the yard will actually comply with GMB plan provisions is another matter; I'm cynical as to whether any supervision will even be mandated.

It's nice to see some photo's of the ship at last.

However, they were taken at an extremely low tide.

The Gulf of Khambat has extreme tides. For long periods the ship will be 'stranded'. However, the extreme 'king' tides will allow her to be afloat.

Surprising that Mr Shaw chose to put pictures at an extremely low tide?

Also she is in excellent condition, all considering.

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The Gulf of Khambat has extreme tides.

This is an excellent point for those who still hold hope.......

The difference between low and king tides can be over 30 feet (10 meters) in the Gulf of Khambat. Take that into consideration when looking at the most recent photos (providing they were taken at the lowest tide), and the fact that the Norway's draft is approx. 35 feet.

You can take it from there concerning the efforts required to get her off the beach. Keep in mind timing would be critical (king tide only lasts so long).

Of course, the photos were taken to discourage Norway's supporters and possible buyers.

I think even seeing the pics of S.S. Norway they can still save her and pull her off the beach she is still a great oceanliner we have to save her she is the last of the great oceanliners so please help save the great lady

Her condition on the new pics doesn't look that worse...considering what she's been through. I think she could very well be restored. But my worries are, when I look at those pics, how to get her off the beach. She's really sitting on sand...there isn't much water surrounding her! On the site they call it a breathtaking sight...I'd call it a heartbreaking sight

Btw, are you still sending emails to the court? I think we need to continue that.

Those pictures confuse me. Do I see space under the very front of the bow?

Due to the lay of the land the propellers may very well be visible, but not from this vista.

One would have though that the fence is parallel to the shore, so the ship is still parallel also. The water flowing in the foreground also indicates this.

This could EASILY have been photoshopped, possibly why there appears to be space between the bow and the sand.

Any thoughts?

I think these pics might have been altered, yes, because ssnorway.no is on the scrappers side. Or, as has been said before, they were taken from an angle that makes it look worse than it really is..just to discourage us
They do look a bit altered, now I'm taking a closer look at it..but I'm not sure

look at this
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h104/captainsvoyage/CValbum5/4.gif

To everybody who is doubt, i have absolutely no interest of all to manipulate my pictures, what you se is what you se.'
Unfortunately i can not show all pictures taken in Alang last week, but the pictures shown are taken at low tide but not the lowest tide.
The propelers are buried in the mud and at high tide the ship lifts up slightly in the far rear end. The last few meters only, and she is in an angle to one side which you can not se if you dont se here from the front.
I can speak for myself, i am one of very few people seing the ship at the moment and how this ship can be moved, i dont know but i would not put a bet on that.
Lanterne

The front of the SS Norway is pointing directly towards the beach, the ship is no longer paralell to the beach.The ship has been turned towards the beach since earlier pictures, the fence is from the beach and outwards to separate the different plots where the ships are beached.
Lanterne

Don't ruin their hopes, lanterne. There are people here that thinks she will be refloated even when they see the cutters in action

It's very sad to see, but if they attempt to pull her out, it will probably damage her hull too much.

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look at this
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h104/captainsvoyage/CValbum5/4.gif

Looks strange to me. Look at the way the bow lifts, and the chains to the bow thrusters look VERY strange.

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Originally posted by Fulvietta:

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look at this
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h104/captainsvoyage/CValbum5/4.gif

Looks strange to me. Look at the way the bow lifts, and the chains to the bow thrusters look VERY strange.

Doesn't look that strange to me. For the winching effort, chains have been rigged through the bow thruster tunnels to supplement those already rigged through the hawseholes.

The white beneath the forefoot doesn't look like open area to me.

Relevant details that suggest authenticity include the thruster tunnels (with daylight showing through them), plus the bilge keel and stabilizer pockets. Would a photoshopper know enough to include these? Sadly, the photos look authentic, at least to me.

Hi all,

Can someone explain to me why in the pics supplied by Mr. Shaw the Norways hull below the waterline is blue? Pics at http://www.maritimematters.com/shipnewspics2006.html and http://www.ruderhaus.de/frames.htm (Norway @ Lloyd Werft 2001-2003) show this portion of hull to be white.

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Originally posted by Remarc:
Hi all,

Can someone explain to me why in the pics supplied by Mr. Shaw the Norways hull below the waterline is blue? Pics at http://www.maritimematters.com/shipnewspics2006.html and http://www.ruderhaus.de/frames.htm (Norway @ Lloyd Werft 2001-2003) show this portion of hull to be white.

The color was originally a light blue, and has largely discolored, but still shows up bluish in certain light, dirty-whitish-gray in other light-angles.

I not claiming to be an expert. I know that many people would like to spot evidence of deception, but I honestly can't see it there.

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Originally posted by Fulvietta:
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Looks strange to me. Look at the way the bow lifts,

Re-visiting this point made by Fulvietta, I finally saw what she meant, and believe that she is correct. Checking a side-elevation drawing of the ship I found a slight amount of deadrise in the keel line as it approaches the bulbous forefoot. Resting on her bottom as she is, this slight "gap" would be visible if the area around her is dry or nearly so.

The picture showing the hull "almost white" is really just showing the algae and growth buildup on the hull. After being exposed to air and sunlight for a long period, the dead algae color goes away and shows the original color.

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Originally posted by andrews:
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Unfortunately i can not show all pictures taken in Alang last week, but the pictures shown are taken at low tide but not the lowest tide.

Need time to manip them?????

Answer me this, if the propellers are buried in the mud, then how can the stern lift at high tide as you say? Surely if they are that "sunk" in the mud, then they would be released each high tide to enable the stern to lift??