I've also noticed that Lanterne who obviously stands to gain if the ship is beached for good appears not to want to answer any questions on the forthcoming high tide and what may happen. Given that he has been "negotiating" with the owners/scrappers for 7 months I assume he is not clueless.
Originally posted by Alex79818: All jokes aside, if Star gets its way with Norway then what 100% asbestos-free ship do you think is lined up next for Alang? You know, just to spite us, they'd probably make it into a big media circus just to make sure to publicize internationally than when they scraps old ships in a non-OECD country, the ship gets 100% decontamination-certified in the USA before it goes to India.
What would be so bad about that? One of the things that many of us learned through our ship's ordeal is how deplorable the conditions are for the individuals who dismantle ships. And, yes -- I am one of the people who truly cares about this aspect. Several of us said many pages back that perhaps the legacy of SS France/SS Norway would be to elicit change in the shipbreaking industry. Let's hope so.
As for Star Cruises publicizing this "just to "spite us?" Give me a break. So what if they -- or any other cruise line -- hype a pre-scrapping decontamination of its ships? What harm does that do? I don't see how this could possibly be taken personally.
high tide coming sept. 8th. The ship WILL be dragged closer to shore on friday! Sorry to say, it looks like the end!
Thank you Norway, for a great voyage. Because of you we are all an unforgettable experience the richer. Thank you too, for being what you have been - Last of the transatlantic Queens of yesteryear. You were mistress of the seas when an aura of glamour still surrounded ocean travel. Those days are gone, never to return, and never again will there be built ships like you. You are too beautifull, too stately, too gracefull for this day and age. The world can no longer afford to create vessels of such artistry and elegance. Your voyage is over, and we have sadly lost the last of a long line of great passanger ships.
Whatever happens. A decision on the FATE of the SS Norway will happen BEFORE the kingtides on 9/8. If the scrappers breaks the law, they'll not only get a fine, but will also be forced to change the way they do business, which would put a lot of them out of business.
On the Dubai side, it's our hope that the 2 sides come to an agreement on the Norway before the king tide begins. With the world watching, if the scrappers think that they could get away with their usual business practices and make India the laughing stock of the world, then they will be in for a very big surprise.
To ensure that a ban on the Norway is enforced and pulled back into deeper waters, the Indian Navy must be present to ensure that the scrappers doesn't get to use the king tides to beach the Norway. This is provided that the courts make a decision before then.
For the scrappers business to continue as always, they MUST let the Norway go!
Dan Lague
Posts: 347 | Location: Florida | Registered: May 16, 2006
Who the [...] is this [...] 987654321....? More ncl pr? Sounds like one to me ..He seems new to the site. He must think hes [...]. look at all his posts. unless he was ncl pr why would he be on here .its certainly not to save the norway.. and telling others to go off the site that have been here from the begining.. (begone) What nerve. Maybe he is ron clark AKA 987654321.. where has that [...] been? not that i care, just adding to my point but enough of that [...] back to norway..anything new?
Edit: Please reconsider your language in future postings! RF
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Thanks for the interesting but colourfull post. Please remember that this is an open and public forum, and all are entitled to their opinion regardless of their views.
I also hope that posts from this point on DO stick with the point at hand.
Originally posted by LisaP: What would be so bad about that? One of the things that many of us learned through our ship's ordeal is how deplorable the conditions are for the individuals who dismantle ships. And, yes -- I am one of the people who truly cares about this aspect. Several of us said many pages back that perhaps the legacy of SS France/SS Norway would be to elicit change in the shipbreaking industry. Let's hope so.
As for Star Cruises publicizing this "just to "spite us?" Give me a break. So what if they -- or any other cruise line -- hype a pre-scrapping decontamination of its ships? What harm does that do? I don't see how this could possibly be taken personally.
Well...it would be bad because Star didn't decontaminate anything. The ship's been stipped to the bare bulkheads for decades now. So if they do that it's like a double whammy....like taking credit for someone else's work i.e. "the ship we're DELIVERING is decontaminated" is not the same as saying "we decontaminate all our old ships before they go to Alang".
So while delivering decontaminated ships at Alang is indeed a good thing, for them to do that with SSUS would be f-ed up because it's like they do nothing to decontaminate, but they seem like they "learned" from their mistake with Norway, and they also offload a liability from the books - plus, at the same time, they get to flip ocean liner fans the birdie and go haha, losers.
Update on Reuben's site by the way...word from Gopal is that the next hearing on motions before the apex court will come any day now. Hopefully before friday.
Originally posted by Alex79818: So while delivering decontaminated ships at Alang is indeed a good thing, for them to do that with SSUS would be f-ed up because it's like they do nothing to decontaminate, but they seem like they "learned" from their mistake with Norway, and they also offload a liability from the books - plus, at the same time, they get to flip ocean liner fans the birdie and go haha, losers.
You've seen an advance copy of a press release, then? I can't believe I'm reading a condemnation of something that has yet to happen.
More depressing news, I see. Again, not altogether unexpected; but rather depressing all the same. If the estimable Mr. Andrew is to be believed, (and I, too, have always maintained that he had "inside" information," and no disrespect meant--seemed almost cocky in his confidence that his windfall-to-be was pretty much a done deal.) I reiterate what I'd already stated that in a free marketplace each is free to do as they please, whether that be to buy, or to sell; as for ME, I will not be padding the pockets of anyone whose gain comes at the expense of picking the bones of a ship I held so dear. That is MY perspective and I certainly understand the views of many others who are so desperate to "own" a piece of this Grand Dame, that they'll deal with...well whomever to get it.
If his information is correct, it doesn't require an Einstein to do the math. Depending on which tide and or whose numbers you use, the ship is at most 1000 m from shore, and at closest, only 500 m. (I stand to be corrected if those figures are in error) Assuming this is true, 1,000 feet closer translates to approximately 300 m closer.If that bears out (and time is now less than 72 hours away--I sincerely do NOT expect this joke of a court to do anything substantive, as I am convinced they're playing a waiting game of their own till it is indeed a fait accompli afterwhich they make a grand show of outrage; but would be the first to tender apologies should they prove me wrong--which I doubt they will)she could wind up less than 200m from the actual dry shoreline and if she wasn't already, most assuredly will by that move be beyond any hope of salvation. Supplications by and through whatever means will certainly continue until that hour; beyond that I will only steel my own resolve to hold culpable for this despicable deed those mose decidedly at fault (no need for further elaboration)--from my perspective. And I dearly hope as someone else has voiced already, that the "curse" of the Norway, comes to fruition.
A2K
Posts: 166 | Location: New Orleans | Registered: April 14, 2006
Just came across a piece that "confirms" asbestos is crippling Alang workers. This just might help in saving our Norway. Although, at the end of the story there is horrible mention that "the dismantling work has just begun."
sorry for my bad spelling i olso dont like what laternr i wrighting
why hold back why do as i he do and i lose think jan olav knows moore that he is telling , i have been in contact with the prime minister of borway , jens stoltenberg , wel it looks like the norwigan gower,m dont know ther serriousety of thise , and the things around it an the amout of toxic involved , he needs moore information , so place mail him wery sonn wery fast ,, place , you vil find the mail adress ,
QUOTE]You've seen an advance copy of a press release, then? I can't believe I'm reading a condemnation of something that has yet to happen.[/QUOTE]
This is a tangent subject which gets us away from the purpose of this thread, which incidentally happens to be an event which has not yet occurred. I was simply pointing out the fact that SS United States was decontaminated decades before Star/NCL bought her, and could conceivably turn the delivery of a decontaminated ship as a positive PR spin after the Norway debacle. Your post seemed to indicate "What would be so bad" about Star decontaminating the ship before delivery to Alang, the answer is that decontamination of this ship has already happened, so it's neither good nor bad if Star makes a decision to decontaminate because that would be impossible.
And yes I do care about the workers at Alang, but to fully understand this you must also understand the issue of caste in Indian society. The workers, believe it or not, actually want this work very VERY badly and hate every one of us I can assure you. This is about seeing this picture. I haven't seen a single independent source confirming that she's moved up 1000 feet up the beach or that "work has begun".
.... BOOOOOOOH BOOOOOOOOOH BOOOOOOOOOH .... you just definitely disqualified yourself... i wonder where Mr. Fiebig as administrator is now.... at least Mr. Clark and the ones you call naysayers don't attack others verbally... no matter what side you are on, someone with comments like the above should be banned from the forum.
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I know that are words will be answered and we all have to tell are selfs that the S.S. Norway will take to the sea again don't give-up people we have a lady to save keep praying.
Alex: Nobody's said she'd been moved another 1,000 feet forward YET; only that the source claiming inside information has it on reliable source that this is the intention of the breakers with the next king tide... and that is now less than 3 days away. I share your wish for a SC ruling in our, and our ship's favor; but I'm not holding my breath waiting for it. The breakers appear hell-bent on fully beaching her, and let the chips fall where they may with the court. They've snubbed 'em before, and they'll quite possibly do it again. The court MIGHT put up a front of outrage--then again, they may fully justify it; but with the level of subterfuge involved from the get-go on this entire affair, I'm not holding my hopes too high. If I am wrong... I will be elated! If I'm correct, at least I am prepared for a most distasteful revelation--the grief will be a little easier, but no less pleasant, to handle. As far as my feelings for the corporate monsters who've manipulated these events, well, I reserve comment until the ultimate fate is indeed a done deal.
Still hoping for a miracle; but equally aware of its probability:
A2K
Posts: 166 | Location: New Orleans | Registered: April 14, 2006
but enough of that [...] back to norway..anything new?
to do the math. Depending on which tide and or whose numbers you use, the ship is at most 1000 m from shore, and at closest, only 500 m. (I stand to be corrected if those figures are in error) Assuming this is true, 1,000 feet closer translates to approximately 300 m closer.If that bears out (and time is now less than 72 hours away--I sincerely do NOT expect this joke of a court to do anything substantive, as I am convinced they're playing a waiting game of their own till it is indeed a fait accompli afterwhich they make a grand show of outrage; but would be the first to tender apologies should they prove me wrong--which I doubt they will)she could wind up less than 200m from the actual dry shoreline and if she wasn't already, most assuredly will by that move be beyond any hope of salvation. Supplications by and through whatever means will certainly continue until that hour; beyond that I will only steel my own resolve to hold culpable for this despicable deed those mose decidedly at fault (no need for further elaboration)--from my perspective. And I dearly hope as someone else has voiced already, that the "curse" of the Norway, comes to fruition. 
.... BOOOOOOOH BOOOOOOOOOH BOOOOOOOOOH .... you just definitely disqualified yourself... i wonder where Mr. Fiebig as administrator is now.... at least Mr. Clark and the ones you call naysayers don't attack others verbally... no matter what side you are on, someone with comments like the above should be banned from the forum.
