Originally posted by Olidal: (Sorry for my poor english, it's very hard to explain questions of feelings when you've a poor vocabulary)
Don't worry about it Olivier... your English is waaaay better than my French!! (...or my German, for that matter, which was my foreign language in school) You express your sentiments very well!!
Sorry, but my intentions weren't bad, simply intend to express my feelings; so i don't want to polemic about this because the sense of my words were not understood. Apologizes, but "bad person" is an easy "short cut" to say what i mean. Y'oure right A2K, nobody is good or bad ( minus "Starcruises" ) but for me, this sort of discussion can't help us to solve the problem .
Posts: 20 | Location: Toulouse, FRA | Registered: October 24, 2005
I have seen the photographs on www.CaptainsVoyage.com and i was (gladly) surprised to see a ship in near-well condition, a little bit rusty, with antifouling gone, but with 3 years without maintenance, it appears not so bad. Interiors appears in good condition too, and i'm personnaly not afraid for the global condition of the ship: it's a strong double-hull builded transatlantic, not like the "passengers-carriers" of today. :d
Never give up !
Olivier.
Posts: 20 | Location: Toulouse, FRA | Registered: October 24, 2005
As far as the negos are conducted... being a born optimistic, this is exactly what I think at the moment!
Still, I have some questions abt Project Dubaï... remember Bizet's opera "l'Arlesienne"? Everybody's talking abt her, but nobody actually sees her!
What's funny I think is that the Star people probably make an analogy between Norway and Carmen...in that anyone that gets involved with her ends up getting screwed....but without realizing that their own actions have contributed to their downfall and they could have had the ball$ to do the right thing at any time and yet chose not to.
Sorry, but my intentions weren't bad, simply intend to express my feelings; so i don't want to polemic about this because the sense of my words were not understood. Apologizes, but "bad person" is an easy "short cut" to say what i mean. Y'oure right A2K, nobody is good or bad ( minus "Starcruises" ) but for me, this sort of discussion can't help us to solve the problem .
That is true, but you also have to remember that "Star's side" doesn't approach these forums as a place for equal and respectful discussion, but rather as a way to make money. In some cases that means sending company employees to post and answer questions such as "who should I cruise with?" so that they book with whatever company they work with. Other times they publicly answer negative postings by dissatisfied customers who post something like "My cruise with XXXX brand $UCKED!" and they'll go "well, actually XXX brand is really good because 1,2,3,4,5"...in other words, damage control.
Damage control also means posing as people like you and I, who are just interested in saving the ship or who have an opinion about it, and 1) Posting to minimize the negative PR effect of those who blame the company for the outcome, or 2) Posting to instigate polemics and controversies among the people involved in order to make them concentrate on a tangent subject instead of following through on any efforts to thwart the company's plans.
All's fair in love and war. But recognizing that they are out there, and here, is paramount to staying on track so that when we see a distraction, we don't take the bait. Sometimes that means you have to send artillery downrange. The point is, actions speak louder than words, and if you're demonstrably apologetic of a certain viewpoint to the complete exclusion of even so much as considering any other, AND to the extent that you attempt to change opinions of others consistently on a great many number of threads, knowing full well that those opinions can and do affect where people's money goes...that's different from you or I logging on here and trying to have a respectful conversation.
That, to me, is disrespect. And unfortunately, the reality of the situation is that there comes a point where you have to fight fire with fire.
all this bullshit sucks im gonna go to captainsvoyage.com where people are interested in one thing ... the norway and not race or disrespect or fighting
i mean realy ...insulting jan olav and andrew..the only contact we have thats been on the ship...with pics how childish , if u dont want , or cant afford the pics bud out..i myself am very interested in them.. those are the last pics besides mine of the last cruise, as her interior as we know it. even if the project is on they will totally rebuild the inside...if there was no pics people would be wanting them ...i think all threw this forum people have wondered and asked about her inside.. now we know and people are beeing dumb ,childish..i cant believe some people dont have better things to do with thier time
I'd like to know exactly what was said that was "insulting" to Jan-Olav. Andrew, heck, I guess it could be considered insulting. But Jan-Olav -- I consider anyone who has SAILED the Norway -- stood on her bridge and freakin' DRIVEN the thing to be one lucky mo' fo'. (Sorry Jan-Olav, just using slang for emphasis). If you call simply questioning what the market value of 700 photos of rust, mildew, and interiors covered with dust cloths and plastic tarps "insulting", then man, you must get your feelings hurt easily.
I COULD rant about grammar and spelling, but now THAT would be childish.
Don't worry about if I'm hurt or not- I'm doing fine. I do understand that this is an emotional roller coaster for many of you, similarly to what it has been for me.
It has not been easy at all admitting to her final fate... It has not been easy at all to accept the fact that it's all over.
But it seems like a battle lost... doesn't it.
I guess we will know in a few days time, if anything at all will change. I highly doubt it as the cards face us today.
Best regards from Jan-Olav Storli CaptainsVoyage.com
It was as I tried to explain, there have been many a great ship lost to the scrappers or the sea; however it may be better to be broken up than to be lost at sea and to die a slow rotting death in the abyss. I know that it is a shame to have to watch this horrific fate that surely awaits the Norway, but I believe it is a far less painful than to rust away over a very long time. GO BLESS THE U.S.A.
Posts: 52 | Location: Cornelius OR. U.S.A. | Registered: August 05, 2006
At least there is a fair chance still as she sits there rusting, and yet has a chance to be saved. Lets hope for the better outcome than just being hopelss and giving in. The SS United states is still "alive" and the fight over Norway just might do it for the cause for at least saving that one, even if we lost the Norway
Hugo
Hugo
Posts: 51 | Location: Stavanger | Registered: August 02, 2006
Please, everyone try to stay united. All is not lost yet, the Norway is still at anchor CLOSE to the beach, the court has yet to rule on the legalities, and the tides to free the ship are coming. This could be a looooong week. Keep the faith.
Originally posted by winco7: Please, everyone try to stay united. All is not lost yet, the Norway is still at anchor CLOSE to the beach, the court has yet to rule on the legalities, and the tides to free the ship are coming. This could be a looooong week. Keep the faith.
"the court has yet to rule on the legalities"... here we are... now what's next?back to my scenario: the court rules that she can't be scrapped in India under the current conditions, then expelled "out of India". What's Priya Blue gonna do with her? Obviously they can't afford financing a return ticket to Germany and full curetting there! So??? If... repeat...if, the US/UAE JV is still around on the watch, they are in a strong bargaining position. This is the dream scenario... I can't think of the worst case scenario. Her fate is beyond our control anyway...God bless her...
With the king tides due to arrive this week, I strongly believe that the Scrappers/Dubai will come to an agreement on the price for the Norway. I doubt that the courts will ban the ship before the tides arrive.
This is the scrappers only option at securing a nice profit for the Norway. Otherwise, we all stand to lose the ship as they could use that opportunity to beach the Norway where it would be beyond anybody's reach to save her. Unless, of course, the courts will fine the breakers at the full scrap value of the ship, which would put them out of business.
It's their choice. Here is a link that will reveal what might happen if the courts allows the scrapping of the Norway:
Well, I guess that's a faint glimmer of hope in the most recent Reuben update. Let's hope the SC of India abides by its own laws and international laws and orders the Norway out...
... but again, if things drag on "to the next king tide" (after the September one)... a lot of "accidents" could happen in the interim.
When the king tide comes, the breakers will be prepared. As soon as she floats, their winches onshore will fire up, and they will drag her inch-by-inch to her death.
They have no regard for human life, why would they have any regard for an apex court that sits hundreds of miles away?
It's truely now or never for getting her saved.
Posts: 265 | Location: Chapel Hill, NC, USA | Registered: February 06, 2006
) but for me, this sort of discussion can't help us to solve the problem 
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GO BLESS THE U.S.A. 
