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Moderator Cruise Guru  |
Hello all-
ftroute was kind enough to put a very detailed document together on how to travel by train in Italy- (still includes travel between the airport (FCO) and the cruise port in Civtavecchia, Italy.) It can be found here. If you are planning on a cruise with ports in Italy, you can use this guide to get to the tourist places on your own and safe significant time and money over the cruise ship tours. Thanks ftroute! Anyone having addition information feel free to reply to this topic as travel to/from this cruise port is a frequent topic. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Jim C., |
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Moderator Cruise Guru |
This addition is from member "Hank" who I would claim is also an expert on Mediterranean and Italy many from the number of times he has been there.
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Experienced Cruiser |
Great post. Particularly the luggage tips. I want to emphasize that you really do have to watch your lugguage on the train. In April, a couple sitting in our car had their knapsack stolen from the rack above them. While at a station, with the confusion of passengers getting on and off, the thief created a diversion by dropping some change on the floor and calmly grabbed the knapsack and walked off the train. The unlucky travellers noticed it quickly, but not quick enough to get off the train before it started to move again. Passports and camera were some of the items that were in the knapsack.
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Cruiser |
We went from the Port to the Airport with no problems.
Lesson learned. Taxi from Airport wouldn't take us to the hotel only 6 miles away. They wanted the high fares and trips to the city only. We had to wait 4-5 hours (off season) to get the free shuttle from airport to hotel. We advised our neighbor who was traveling with a group they would be better off getting a Van to meet them at Port, since they were staying in the same hotel we did. If you are in good health and can carry all your luggage -- there is no problem taking the train into Rome or the Airport. So many flights leave early in the morning and you have to spend the night. If we did it will lots of luggage any healthy person can. |
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Moderator Cruise Guru |
Note to all, I update the link to ftroute's guide. The old one called out a MS Word formatted document that not everyone would have been able to read. Ftroute was kind enough to turn it into a webpage which everyone should be able ot open. Plus some new information has been added.
Thanks Ftroute! |
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Serious Cruiser |
I thought the W doc was awesome! I've downloaded it to my cruise folder at home. I'm one of those obssesive compulsive nuts that prints out everything, puts it all in its own clear sheet, and 3 ring binds the entire vacation weeks before I leave. This will be about page 50 I imagine.
Oh yeah. You would so hate traveling with me.  |
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Serious Cruiser |
We are staying at a hotel close the termini train station so getting to the station will not be a problem. My concern is the luggage. Considering we are packing for 14 days I expect to have two gig suitcases and a couple of smaller bags. Will we have enough room on the train to keep our luggage next to us? Also how likely is it that we will be standing on the train. Also, I understand there are tow level of tickets that can be purchased. Do you suggest a particular level? Also how well is English spoken on the train so that we know excactly which train to get on and when to get off? Thanks in advance
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Serious Cruiser |
Jim,
I have already detailed the problems I am gacing gettingc ttransfers for my cruise from Rome Rome in another thread so I won't repeat them here. But I do have aquestion about the train from the Termini station. A friend of my suggested that if I go first class I should not have the problems so much of worrying about thievery and getting my luggage off and on the train at the station and at the port. He indicated that there are people around to help and if I tip them I should be all right. Is that your understanding? |
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Experienced Cruiser |
Knowing when to get on/off the train is as simple as knowing the train schedules. Know what time you are due to arrive at your destination and plan to be at or near the door at least five minutes ahead of time. If you are blocking the exit you'll find a lot of people willing to help you with your luggage (after all, you are blocking their way!) 1cl versus 2cl. The former, being more expensive, translates to fewer people. Will you always be able to keep your luggage with you? Maybe not - but keep it in plain sight and within quick reach. The referenced document (mine) talks about luggage. Give some real serious thought about what you are packing and why. I just got off a 7 NT Carib. cruise and I took one 24" bag (plus backpack for camera stuff, etc.) I had stuff I didn't wear! I got my wife down to a 21" and a 24" and she had a bunch of stuff that she didn't wear. If you are going to cruise AND travel by train then you need to cut down on the luggage. If someone were to offer to help with the luggage for x euros or dollars, I'd send them packing. They probably have a friend a suitcase toss away that is working with them. Radiance of the Seas - Nov 2006 Legend of the Seas - Jun 2007 Costa Fortuna - Mar 2008 Legend of the Seas - Oct 2008 Celebrity Constellation - July 2009 MSC Orchestra - Jan 2009 |
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New Cruiser |
Fantastic instructions, have just used them on a Thomson cruise. Cost us nine euros each to get to Rome compared to the cruise wanting about 50 euros each. We caught the 1030 train, got to Termini for 12 had a relxing walk past the colessium, forum, pantheon, trevi fountain and back to the station and caught the 1630 train back.
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New Cruiser |
force 5 - this is exactly what we want to do. I was planning on taking one of the HOHO buses, but have heard we can walk it just as easily. Did you walk this route? If so, can you give any tips? Thanks!
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Cruiser |
Here is the Bus Stop at Civitiavecchia Cruise Port. Its the last Bus in the row:
 So the bus looks like :  When you leave the bus just folow the sign and walk straight on to the railway station.  Pictures shot in May 08 by our Carnival Freedom Cruise. Regards Dieter      |
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Experienced Cruiser |
Link to Italian Trains
Just came back home after brief trip to find the link at the top of the thread was dead. I moved site and was told everything would go smoothly - LOL. Link should be back within 12 hours. Any specific questions, email to ftroute at bellsouth.net Radiance of the Seas - Nov 2006 Legend of the Seas - Jun 2007 Costa Fortuna - Mar 2008 Legend of the Seas - Oct 2008 Celebrity Constellation - July 2009 MSC Orchestra - Jan 2009 |
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Master Cruiser |
I should add a couple of more things. When you get to the Civitavecchia train station you now have several options. You can buy a ticket to Rome as described above (I do not think there is a savings for round trip,,,but good to buy both ways to avoid the line and delay in Rome). But, there are two other tickets available at the train station. You can buy a ticket for about 12 Euros that includes the train plus a full days use of the buses and subways throughout Rome with the exception of the HOHO bus (hop on hop off) which I believe is bus # 110. There is also a ticket for about 22 Euros that includes the round trip train plus use of that HOHO bus (I am not positive about the #110 designation). You can ask about these tickets at the Civitavecchia train station.
Hank |
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Moderator Cruise Guru |
Note- I updated the link in the first post to a new webpage from ftroute. It now covers Italy train travel in general and is broken into the popular train travel destinations.
Thank you ftroute! Excellent job! CCL Fantasy 1990 CCL Celebration 1995 CCL Victory 2005 CCL Conquest 2005 CCL Spirit June 2006 NCL Dream October 2006 RCCL Mariner OTS June 2007 CCL Freedom June 2008 CCL Holiday July 2008 Booked on Victory June 2009 - Southern Caribbean! |
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Cruiser |
This is the help I have been looking for. I really am not used to big bus tours, yet I am tempted only because of the time factor-concerned about getting back to the ship in time if my husband and I choose to do outings on our own. I still have questions, however. For example: I know that the same train from Naples to Pompeii also stops at Herculaneum. Does one merely buy a r/t to Pompeii? Or are these separate tickets, if we get off and on either going to or coming from Pompeii? Same question: if we go to Pisa from Livorno and then on to Lucca? Except, if I remember, that IS a train change so it is not exactly the same. What if we go to Pompeii but aren't sure if we'll have time to stop at Herculaneum?!! (only one day in port! What was I thinking?) Must times be reserved on the tickets? Also when I looked at the on-line booking site for trenitalia (Livorno-Pisa, for example) early trains were not available from port. (no little shopping cart symbol) Does this mean that NO seats are available on those trains or does it mean that no on-line advance purchase tickets are available for those trains? This makes a big difference. I wouldn't want to BEGIN my day's outing at mid-day! When I traveled years ago, I had a pass and I never remember a train being full. We sail on Norwegian Gem on 8/3 so I'd really like to know if using trains will work out for me before we go! Thanks. Jezzabell
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Moderator Cruise Guru |
Wow, that is a lot of questions. I'll do my best but maybe the others that have done this more than one time can chime in as well-
The train line we took (The Circumvesuviana line) didn't run all the way to Pompeii early in the morning. The ticket office told us we could ride to Ercolano (The Herculaneum stop) and then be able to get down to Pompeii from there. So we ended up buying two tickets one to Ercolano and one to Pompeii. You can certainly ask if you can buy the ticket "all at once", but its a commuter line so it may not make much if any difference in cost. We ended up buying a ticket from Pompeii to Sorrento also and then one in Sorrento to take us all the way back. We probably could have saved money and bought the full two way fare ticket, but we did not know if we would ahve time to do all of it, so we eneded up buying it in pieces. Note there there are no reserved seats on the commuter lines so you don't have to worry about times. You can just get on the next available train when you are done seeing Pompeii or the Herculaneum. I don't know why you couldn't see trains early in Livorno to Pisa. We got off the ship as early as possible and took a cab to the station and we got right on a train. This was as soon as you possibly could have gotten there from the ship. It was again a commuter line. The trip is only about 10 mins to Pisa, its not worth getting an 1st class ticket even if you could. I wouldn't worry about getting your tickets now for Pisa. Go to the station and talk with the ticket office, every one of them had someone that spoke enough english to help. CCL Fantasy 1990 CCL Celebration 1995 CCL Victory 2005 CCL Conquest 2005 CCL Spirit June 2006 NCL Dream October 2006 RCCL Mariner OTS June 2007 CCL Freedom June 2008 CCL Holiday July 2008 Booked on Victory June 2009 - Southern Caribbean! |
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Experienced Cruiser |
First of all - you do not need to buy tickets in adavance. Livorno, Pisa, Lucca and Firenze are mostly commuter type trains (very little 1CL, if any) and there is no advance purchase available. Buy your tickets at the station or from a vending machine (English instructions available.)
If you click on the link in the very first post in this thread, there is a link to train schedules. Schedules include all trains that apply cruise ship passengers. Radiance of the Seas - Nov 2006 Legend of the Seas - Jun 2007 Costa Fortuna - Mar 2008 Legend of the Seas - Oct 2008 Celebrity Constellation - July 2009 MSC Orchestra - Jan 2009 |
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New Cruiser |
This information is great! I am going on a cruise at the end of August, arriving in Livorno and plan on visiting Florence and Pisa on a Saturday and then the following day (Sunday)arriving into Civitavecchia and wish to visit Rome. What is your opinion on purchasing the days train tickets prior to the port arrival? Do you think purchasing the tickets at the train station the day of travel is okay for travel during high season and during peak hours?
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Experienced Cruiser |
Livorno-Pisa-Firenze are mostly served by regional (commuter) trains and most are 2 class only. In either case, no advance tickets. Civitavecchia to Rome is again mostly regional (commuter) trains with very little other than 2 class. Thus, no advance tickets.
If it's crowded, so be it. Regional trains are never sold out - a ticket buys you the 'right-of-passage' and does not guarantee a seat. I had stood the entire 3-4 hour trip from Pisa/Rome because there were no seats. Relax, smile, enjoy it, and make some new friends from Italy. Radiance of the Seas - Nov 2006 Legend of the Seas - Jun 2007 Costa Fortuna - Mar 2008 Legend of the Seas - Oct 2008 Celebrity Constellation - July 2009 MSC Orchestra - Jan 2009 |
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